The real weapons of mass destruction may have been caged little green men.
Late former Vice President Dick Cheney oversaw a “detainment situation” involving live aliens captured from crashed UFOs, according to claims by whistleblower David Grusch.
Grusch, who testified before Congress in 2023 about alleged secret UFO crash-retrieval programs, made the claims Thursday during an interview on “The Dr. Phil Podcast” Dr. Phil saying US officials had communicated telepathically with alien “pilots” pulled from some of the dozens of UFOs — between 25 and 100 — he believes are in the government’s possession.
“I know people who had direct interactions in a detainment situation, which sounds very Star Trek and sounds very crazy, but it is true,” the former Air Force intelligence officer said on The Dr. Phil Podcast on Thursday.
“I spoke to a former cabinet member who directly worked the issue for a particular former vice president. You can guess which one. Darth Vader,” said Grusch with a laugh.
Cheney, who served as vice president under President George W. Bush from 2001 to 2009, was famously nicknamed “Darth Vader” by critics because of his reputation as one of the administration’s most powerful figures — almost rising to the level of co-president.
Grusch then described the way the aliens and humans were able to communicate.
“It is true that it is some sort of consciousness communication. Of course, people call it telepathy. I cannot begin to tell you how it works. But there is some sort of communication like that,” he said.
“I’m as curious as the average viewer on your show on how that works.”
Dr. Phil has recently become a prominent television interviewer of Trump administration officials and figures involved in the UFO disclosure debate.
The famed TV psychologist has been granted early access to the last two tranches of UFO files released by the administration, and has been briefing his audience on the releases since July 14.
“David’s story is absolutely a reminder that asking hard questions and getting to the truth is every citizen’s right,” Dr. Phil said after the interview.
“You may believe there’s something there. You may believe we’re alone. You may believe we’re not. But you have a right to have information and think critically about it. And you have the right to decide what it means to you; whether its significant to you and your belief systems or not,” he said.
Cheney died on Nov. 3, 2025, at 84 from complications of pneumonia, cardiac disease and vascular disease.
